Sailing to Nicaragua

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I'm seriously considering buying a Catalina 27 and sailing down to Nicaragua.

I've got a lot of learn before I go. But I wanted to start making some plans around the trip. I assume that the time of year is a very important factor in when to head down there. Is that correct? When are the best times to sail from SF to Nicaragua? When is the absolute worst?

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    Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

    Tue, October 23, 2007 - 9:18 PM
    just learn about Hurricane season in Pacific
    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

      Tue, October 23, 2007 - 11:31 PM
      Adam, I wouldn't recommend a Cat-27 for that trip. They simply aren't built for blue water sailing. I sailed one from Monterey to Santa Barbara once, and both Point Sur and Point Conception almost killed me. The things we do for money.

      For the same money, I'm sure you could find an older, sturdier, boat. Karima and I own a 1971 Islander 30. You should contact her and have a look. It is right there in Embarcadero cove in Oakland. I'm sure she wouldn't want to sell, but I bet you could get one for five or six thousand, and put another three into making her ocean capable. A much better boat. Ranger made some really strong small boats in the 70s too. Also, Ericson and Peterson. Catalina built boats for Southern California waters in Summer. I don't even think they are appropriate for the conditions on SF Bay, although there are a lot of them around. Grab a copy of Lat-38 or one of the other local sailing rags. Look in the classifieds for something in the 30 foot range. I'm sure you could find something from a private party that is much better, and save yourself from a brokerage fee. Never buy without a certified survey though. You could also check with the Boy Scouts of America. One of the most senior guys in the Bay Area is Nick Tarlson, and he can probably show you some of their donation boats. They are often pretty fucked up (if you want a real fixer-upper bargain) but sometimes they get a real gem.

      Or, simply ask around.

      I know some people who have done similar things to what you want. Total amateurs. They came to our school in Sausalito, took basic Keelboat and Basic Coastal Cruising. Then they bareboat chartered some of the boats in the fleet (30-33 foot range), then after a dozen or so solo (with friends) trips, they took the Bareboat Charter course. BBC is three days and two nights, learning how to sail a boat up to 45 feet or so. You also learn some basic coastal navigation (at night too), basic maintenance, and stuff like how to use the stove, refrigerator and empty the holding tank. Some even go so far as to charter some more small boats, maybe take the ACC and Coastal Passage-making classes, and even the Coastal and Celestial Navigations courses. You can spend thousands.

      I've been sailing for my entire life. I grew up on the Bay and in Seattle. I've sailed the East Coast, the Med, all over Asia, the West Coast of the US and Mexico, the Caribbean, and made ocean passages of over 2000 nautical miles. As a commissioned officer, I sailed for Navy for five years. I've raced in Naragansett, SF Bay, and all over SoCal for years. I have a Master's license. I've drove rescue boats for Vessel Assist and Sea Tow for years. I taught sailing, navigation, as well as commercial license prep courses. I even won in class in the Newport Ensenada Race in a Catalina 27 one year. Please trust me, it is not the boat you want.

      If you doubt my word on this stuff, contact Tim on this tribe. I think he's up sailing Alaska at the moment. He started in Montana (or was it Wyoming) and is now sailing the world. I've known him for years, and he can vouch for what I say. You can also contact the Modern Sailing Academy in Sausalito, for whom I taught for years. You want a better boat.

      Oh, and by the way, the Coast Guard Auxiliary offers free and nearly free courses on seamanship and basic navigation. You might want to check them out as well. Nick Tarlson is also involved with their programs, and could fill you in there as well.


      • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

        Wed, October 24, 2007 - 12:03 AM
        Hey, thanks for all of the info!

        I'll start looking for other boats, and I'll look into the Coast Guard Aux classes.

        But, what about the original question?

        Does the time of year matter for such a trip? What time of year would be best? When should be avoided?
        • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

          Wed, October 24, 2007 - 2:39 AM
          Hurricane season is during the late Summer. It generally runs at least a month later on the West Coast than the East. I think there is, in fact, a tropical depression in the Pacific, which might become a hurricane, right now. Not likely though. Your best bet would probably be to head south in late Spring. In general, hurricanes aren't a problem until you get to Cabo San Lucas and south. Figure on 100 to 125 NM per 24 hours of sailing time. It is a downhill run. Personally, I like to sail two or three days, day and night, and go into port for a breather and a good night's sleep, then back at it. Some people like to make a port call every day, which is reasonable for most of this trip, but it takes a lot longer, with getting into and out of harbors, bribing... I mean paying fees to port captains and customs, etc., and the invariable liberty call for some extended periods upon a whim. You can always pick up a weather fax, or get high frequency email on your computer to track storms. There are plenty of secure ports to duck into, but a direct hit, even in a safe port like Mazatlan or Acapulco, and you will want to double and triple your mooring lines, and get a hotel room until it passes. Boats are cheap, people aren't.

          Go to a nautical book store. West Marine (one in Oakland I think) carries new books. There was a used nautical book store in Sausalito, right near the West Marine, called The Armchair Sailor, but I think they might be gone. Get yourself a copy of Chapman's. You don't need a new edition, unless you want to read about the latest electronic gadget. Browse around, and check out some books on weather, navigation, cruising tips, etc. There is a ton of stuff. Again, check Lat-38. There are marine flea markets, sometimes estates selling off their old books, equipment, etc.

          Once you have a little experience, you might want to consider joining a yacht club. Then, you can go crazy crewing for racers, and get lots of sailing time on bigger boats hurting for capable bodies. When I was racing professionally in SoCal, I sailed Wednesday and Thursday late-afternoons, and all day on Saturday and Sunday for 18 weeks in the Summer, and both Saturday and Sunday for the rest of the year. It gets tiring, like any job. Encinal Yacht Club in Alameda is good, as is the Richmond club at Brickyard cove. I haven't been in the States for over three years now, so things have probably changed a bit. Many clubs also have a library as well. When I left the States, I donated all my books (well over 100) to my yacht club.

          Tim, the guy I mentioned earlier, did the coast of Mexico a year or two ago. He might be able to fill you in on a few of the changes since my last trip to Cabo, something like ten years ago.


          • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

            Wed, October 24, 2007 - 7:31 AM
            Eric knows his stuff, so even I take his advice. On my trip south I went pretty late, well after the Latitute cruiser rally. About six boats were going down. Most had just got a boat and were going, with hardly any experience. Two groups of twenty-something surfers took two piece of junk trimarans to Cabo and made it by the grace of God. One tri would only turn left and the other had a cracked mast. Of course they had their boards and were strong swimmers and got a lot of help from the other boats. My point is that many of us experienced people stay in port for years getting ready, many of us never going anywhere while many people just get a boat, read a book on it and go.

            I'm not recommending that inexperienced people launch into adventures and get over their head. Personally, I think if you got a solid 27 foot boat, took a few courses you would be fine heading down the California coast. California offers a lot with coastal destinations and the Channel islands. You can go into Mexico earlier then the cruising season, you need to watch the water temp. You don't want to get so far south that the water temp. is warm enough for hurricanes.

            I flew in to get my boat ready to take to Alaska. I'm pushing my cart of luggage down the dock after a long flight. A well meaning docky chased me down the dock telling me, us experienced sailors don't think I should sail to Alaska. You'll get a lot of shit from experienced sailors for doing anything with your boat, so just get a boat and go. You'll also see many peoples cruising dreams end at the bottem of a bottle or bong. You have the courage now, so run with it.
            • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

              Wed, October 24, 2007 - 1:40 PM
              Hahaha. I didn't think you should sail to Alaska either. Not that the tank you sail around in, or you personally, couldn't do it. You did. I just prefer the tropics. Where are you now? When are you going to come to Europe? I'll let you borrow the couch in my studio in Warsaw, and Polish girls are hot. In fact, you should consider the Canal de Medi in France. Take your mast down and putt around the most beautiful countryside in the world. You have to learn how to do the locks thing though. I'll send some pictures. Carcassonne is beautiful. Send me your email address.

              John Connolly is trying to buy a 48 footer someplace on the East coast, to bring to the Med. He wants to put her in the South of France or Greece. Looks like I might end up back in the business for awhile. Polish lake sailing is getting a bit boring.
            • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

              Wed, October 24, 2007 - 1:59 PM
              Erik:
              > Get yourself a copy of Chapman's.

              Actually, I read it a year ago, but left it behind in Egypt.

              I heard great things about Annapolis. I'm going to pick up and read through that next.

              Here's my current reading list:

              ANNAPOLIS BOOK OF SEAMANSHIP

              THE CRUISING GUIDE TO CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

              COAST GUARD AUX. CLASSES

              TWENTY SMALL SAILBOATS TO TAKE YOU ANYWHERE (?)

              And, of course, KONTIKI :-)

              > Once you have a little experience, you might want to consider joining a yacht club.

              I'm getting a lot of practice with the Cal Sailing Club, but the instruction is _very_ ad hoc.

              I'll work my way there up to sailing their keel boats, and get practice with them. Then I'll consider more official courses to fine-tune my experience, and also maybe look into joining a yacht club.

              Tim:
              > Personally, I think if you got a solid 27 foot boat, took a few courses you would be fine heading down the California coast.

              Thanks for the info.

              After reading Erik's post, I did a bunch of searching around the web. It seems that large trips could and have been done in Catalina 27s, but it's a bad idea.

              The Ericson's seem like nice boats. The price is right. And I might even be able to go up to an Ericson 29 rather than a 27.

              > My point is that many of us experienced people stay in port for years getting ready, many of us never going anywhere while many people just get a boat, read a book on it and go.

              Thanks for the support.

              But I'll at least try to find someone else to go with me.

              Having two people rather than one seems like it would make a massive difference in terms of safety. Right?
              • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                Wed, October 24, 2007 - 3:18 PM
                Chapman's vs. Annapolis? Same difference. Keep one of them for reference.

                Yes, a good basic coastal navigation class, no matter from whom is helpful. Remember plane geometry? Same stuff.

                Get the USCG Rules of the Road. Cost you about $15. Worth every penny. You don't have to memorize it but, with a flashlight in hand, in the middle of the night, you can figure out what that bunch of yellow, red, green and white lights mean.

                Don't know 20 Small Boats. Read us the list, and I'm sure there will be plenty of opinions.

                Kontiki? Ahhh. Thor. As a Norwegian, the man is god. However, you might want to consider "Dove" instead. 16 year old kid who sailed alone, around the world, in a Ranger 23, while becoming a man. Enough said. Other than it was a crappy movie.

                Yacht clubs are where the racing happens. If you just want a lot of time on the water, sailboat racing is the way to go. You have to commit for the whole season. It is a team sport, and leaving in the middle can screw up the season, and your reputation.

                Tim is right. A tough 27 foot boat is better than a weak (Catalina 30) bigger boat. Somebody once said you should always sail your age. In my case, at 47, it becomes somewhat expensive. Gotta sail other people's boats.

                Yes, you can sail a Cat-27 anywhere. But, would you want to? I used to sail this Ericson 32 out of MSA. Talk about comfort for size. The Pearson 32 was more fun, and a better sailer, though. Both good boats. I used to own a Frisco Flyer. Check that one out. Probably not in your budget, but she could go anywhere.

                By the way, three people is better than two. That way you can break watches up into four hour periods, and everybody gets a good night's sleep. If there are only two of you (both Tim and I have done this) take more port calls.

                I was serious about Nick Tarlson. He's an accountant in the City. Tim knows him, I think. He might be able to find you something reasonable. He wants to make money for the BSA though, and is no fool, so don't buy anything without asking around. Again, check out Lat-38. I know they have an online classifieds.

                Shit. If you wait a year, I'll come sail it down with you.
                • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                  Wed, October 24, 2007 - 5:33 PM
                  Erik is right about cat 27

                  I may have an Erikson 29' with 6000 $
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                    Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                    Wed, October 24, 2007 - 8:43 PM
                    > I may have an Erikson 29' with 6000 $

                    That looks like the boat and price range that I'm looking at. I just don't know when I'd be ready to buy.

                    What do you know about the Ericson 27's vs. the Ericson 29's?
                    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                      Wed, October 24, 2007 - 9:37 PM
                      You could beef up the hull deck joint. Glass in some hat- channell like stuff all through the deck. Maybe some big chainplates down the side of the hull, throughbolted of course. A house jack under the deck stepped mast works pretty well. Hatchboards tend to float away, so maybe make up a plywood or thick plexy door you can secure. Come up with an emergency rudder to hang over the stern in case the skeg rudder snaps off. Bring your surfboard and a set of fins.
                      • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                        Thu, October 25, 2007 - 1:07 PM
                        Tim:
                        > You could beef up the hull deck joint. ...

                        Honestly, I don't know what most of that means.

                        Do you really think all of that is necessary for a trip down the coast?
                        • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                          Thu, October 25, 2007 - 2:57 PM
                          No. He's one of those fanatical do it yourselfers. Hahaha. Just buy a good boat, and buy the right stuff. Get a good Eprib. Get an auto inflate four man raft. Good GPS (maybe two). Flare gun. Emergency kit. Etc. As I said, go to a nautical book store, look around. I'm sure there is something with a cookbook recipe for all the latest. Tim is up crashing around Alaskan ice floes in a steel hulled tank. No wonder his perspective is reinforce this or that.

                          Before you buy anything, send me a picture, and some stats. Hell, post it here, and let everybody have a shot. Never too much information.

                          Let me know if you want me to come help you take her south. Seriously. Never been to the land of the Sandinistas.
                    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                      Thu, October 25, 2007 - 4:51 PM
                      an emergency inflatable dinghy is what everybody need to have for extreme condition in coastal navigation

                      and maybe an waterproof GPS hand held
                      • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                        Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:18 AM
                        Yes, but GPS is so cheap these days, you might want to buy a couple, and seal up a plastic bag of batteries. Won't do you much good in a life raft though. At that point, knowing where you are doesn't do you much good. Letting others know where you are is the ticket. EPIRB is the hot ticket. I guess you could also have a hand held VHF radio, but range is limited to the horizon plus 10% or so.
                        • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                          Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:22 AM
                          Here, looks like they are still in business.

                          local.sanfrancisco.com/Armcha...me.html

                          I think West Marine bought them out. Might want to call before you drive all the way there.
                          • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                            Fri, October 26, 2007 - 7:32 AM
                            My point about Catalina's and Eriksons is that they are fairly light boats, which is fine. My choice for a small cruising boat would be a 27 fiberglass folkboat or a Contessa, 27 foot Vega or a Pearson tritan. They are heavier built boats and I feel would hold up better under cruising conditions. Every time your boat falls off a wave or bashes into a sea it goes through a stress cycle. Lighter built boats simply wear out with extended cruising. Sure you could make it to Hawaii or Cabo with a Erikson. Most of the Pacific cup boats are lightly built race boats, but they go in almost a rally fashion and give each other support in case one has a problem. You take your Erickson or Catalina and get into some 20 foot seas and I bet you would see my point as you would see it twisting bending a flexing. If your heart is set on the Ericson or Catalina, I'm sure your fine with it, but I would look at making a few things more secure. One of my favorite books is the Pacific Cup Race Manuel. It has a bunch of great ideas for making your offshore experience safer. Many safety things are low cost and low tech, like securing hatch boards or spares and having a compresson post under the mast, if your mast isn't keel stepped, a strong floodlight to shine on your mast is one of the most effective ways of saying here I am.

                            I wouldn't and haven't hessitated to jump on a light boat and do a crossing. From my experience of chainsawing up glass boats I know they are pretty rugged. At the same time on my last trip I hit five floating logs. Sometimes one would distract me and another would jump in front of my keel. I was glad to have a steel boat with a skeg to protect my rudder. Steel is real.
                            • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                              Fri, October 26, 2007 - 7:40 AM
                              I cruise with a liferaft, epirb and in cold water I don't go on the water without a survival suit. Going down the California coast I would think that you would just need something that floats to serve as a liferaft. Sometimes people have survived in the ships dingy after the liferaft deflated. If the boat you get is big enough you could lash down a inflatable or hard dingy. On a small boat I might go with one of those sit on top kayaks with a drybag of supplies and sun tarp secured in it. You'll need a dingy or kayak anyway.
                              • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                                Fri, October 26, 2007 - 12:10 PM
                                Erik:
                                > EPIRB is the hot ticket.

                                It would be pretty foolhardy to go without one. And, it seems that they're monitored internationally, not just in the US. Is that right?

                                > Armchair Sailor Books

                                Maybe I'm too far into the modern age. But, I'm just ordering books through Amazon and having them delivered. Great selection, and customer reviews. :-)

                                Tim:
                                > You take your Erickson or Catalina and get into some 20 foot seas

                                I'm not even considering crossing oceans yet. The advantage of cruising down the coast is so long as you're following weather reports, you _should_ be able to avoid the worst of the weather, right?

                                > One of my favorite books is the Pacific Cup Race Manuel. It has a bunch of great ideas for making your offshore experience safer.

                                I ordered a book called "Seaworthy Offshore Sailboat: A Guide to Essential Features, Handling, and Gear". Hopefully, that'll be good enough.

                                But, if that doesn't cover things, I see if I can find the Pacific Cup Handbook.

                                > Going down the California coast I would think that you would just need something that floats to serve as a liferaft. ... You'll need a dingy or kayak anyway.

                                I do need something. You know better than I do, but ideally it would serve a dual purpose as an emergency life raft, and as a dinghy to back and forth from shore.

                                What would everyone recommend for a 27-29 boat? What kind of dinghy/kayak and how and where to attach it?
                                • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                                  Fri, October 26, 2007 - 1:47 PM
                                  Adam:

                                  Yes, EPIRB is international. You will have a USCG aircraft over your head in a couple of hours.

                                  Modern age? Sure, I use Amazon all the time. Old guy and all. However, there is something to be said for browsing through used books, with people around who might have similar interests. The old Australian guy who used to run the place was a wealth of information. He's also the best chart source around, both legal and bootleg. I even got charts for Cuba from him once. I love paper charts. The batteries don't die. Old school, I know.

                                  Sorry to jump in there, but you can easily find 20, 30 or even 40 foot seas on the coast. That is where they stand up. Ever been to Maverick's at Pillar Point? Check it out.

                                  Open ocean sailing is actually safer than coastal. Nothing to run into. As long as you have a strong boat, you are pretty secure. When you get there, that is when you run into stuff. Land is the sailor's bane. People have a strange attachment to land. If they see it, they are more comfortable. The truth is, if you don't see it, you are safer.

                                  As far as a skiff goes, get an inflatable. Get something with a hard bottom, or at least hard boards. If you can afford it, get a small outboard, so you don't have to row so much. The dingy, you can deflate, roll up, and stuff in the lazarette, the outboard, clamp to the stern pulpit. Careful going in to the beach. The surf always looks mellow from behind. Been wet a few times.

                                  In the old days, the Seagull was the easiest outboard to fix with a couple of paper clips and a rubber band. IAW the KISS principle. Not sure what to get these days. Last thing I owned was a 5.5 horse Mercury. It was great because it would run off a tank, and also had it's own internal one quart tank.

                                  Sorry, if you are serious, you need both. You need to keep your emergency canister life raft pristine. That is important. The boat you go ashore in will get trashed. Your life may depend upon this. Of course, you could always buy a fucking surf board.
                                  • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                                    Sat, October 27, 2007 - 7:38 AM
                                    Nice to have a couple of shoreboats. Even if one is a inflatable kayak. I like my hard skiff with oars. I like the exercise and I have a sailing rig for it. A spare boat is nice in case your skiff is lost. They get kinda hard to get once your out there. In rowing around it's easier to come up to another boat and say hi, outboards are rude. Also by rowing and paddling the locals think that you are poor and that can be good. Outboards and inflatables have there place for dive trips and covering distance. Paper charts are the best for getting the detail you need, electronic charts just don't have everything you need.

                                    Hey Erik, Is there a way to print up bunches of Noaa and Canadian charts for like way cheaper then you can buy. They print on demand charts up here on waterproof paper. The charts are free online, but the problem is the printer. I was wondering if one could bring a disk of the charts to a printing place and maybe plastic laminate the charts if you can't get waterproof paper. Seems like any coastal voyage you need like 10K in charts and I'm hoping for a cheaper way. I was shitting myself in the Queen Charlottes, because I didn't have really what I should have for charts.
                                    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                                      Sat, October 27, 2007 - 7:46 AM
                                      Also, the satphone is becomeing pretty standard on boats. The boat that got hit by the whale coming back from the Pacific Cup got help on their Sat phone. I was looking into it and it was 850 for a rebuilt phone and then a chunk of money for 500minuets. My friend Bruce called me, on his as, hurricane Sergio was bearing down on him.
                                      • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                                        Sat, October 27, 2007 - 8:25 AM
                                        You are absolutely right about the hard skiff. Especially with the sailing rig. But, Adam is looking at a pretty compact boat. He won't have room to store one on deck, and towing... Well, not recommended. I like outboards though.

                                        When I was a kid, my dad had a 9 foot hard dingy, with a sailing rig, upright in a cradle on the cabin top. It had bowed battens under a canvas cover keeping it dry inside. When we were making long passages, somebody was detailed with cutting it loose in an emergency. That was in addition to the 8 man canister raft, and a hard bottomed Avon. We also had this cool little three horse Evinrude. It only had forward, no reverse, but you could spin it around 180 degrees to drive backward. We kept all kinds of extra emergency supplies in the skiff, like a complete firstaid kit, fishing gear, sleeping bags, etc. Figured we'd just tie it off to the canister raft, and use it as storage until rescued, if the big boat went down. Never had to. Nice having 50 feet of deck space to work with.

                                        I'm not sure about the chart thing. Lots of people are doing all their navigating on their laptop these days. I'm old fashioned, I guess, and still prefer paper. I remember that Hobbit that ran the Armchair Sailor used to have a big printer. He scanned, and made me copies of all the Cuba charts. Could you get to Seattle? There is an Armchair Sailor there too. Maybe you can contact them online. Hey, Adam, you're kinda internet savvy, as I understand, got any suggestions for Tim?
                                        • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                                          Sat, October 27, 2007 - 12:10 PM
                                          Erik:
                                          > Sorry, if you are serious, you need both. You need to keep your emergency canister life raft pristine. That is important.

                                          It's a tough thing. The life raft, if you have one, I assume you want to be nice and new. There are Vietnam war era ones for sale on ebay, but I think I'd stay away from those. The life rafts that I've seen start around $1200. And that's a massive chunk of change when you're looking at boats in the ~$6000 range. Is there anywhere where I could find cheap, but good enough, life rafts?

                                          Otherwise, I'd look at a dinghy small enough, inflatable or not, and keep it ready-to-go on the foredeck. How big of a dinghy could I fit on the front of a 29' boat?

                                          > I'm not sure about the chart thing. Lots of people are doing all their navigating on their laptop these days. I'm old fashioned, I guess, and still prefer paper.

                                          I actually agree. Things go wrong with laptops all the time.

                                          Tim:
                                          > Also by rowing and paddling the locals think that you are poor and that can be good.

                                          Good point. You know my travel style.

                                          > The charts are free online, but the problem is the printer. I was wondering if one could bring a disk of the charts to a printing place and maybe plastic laminate the charts if you can't get waterproof paper.

                                          Is this the site:

                                          www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineVi...061.shtml

                                          If so, there is a bit of bad news. It's a flash file, which you might not be able to print. But I'm checking with a friend who knows more about flash then I do.
                                          • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                                            Sat, October 27, 2007 - 1:13 PM
                                            Yep. You can probably buy a used four-man for about $800. There is a Usenet nautical classified, Lat-38, marine flea markets, other marine rags, the bulletin board at West Marine in Sausalito, ya gotta look around. They are inspected by USCG certified sites on a regular basis, so age really doesn't matter. That and an EPIRB, and you are good to go.

                                            You can probably find a small dingy with a couple of oars for a couple hundred bucks. If you store it athwartships, and don't mind the trouble of it's getting in the way, maybe seven feet long. Depends on the boat. Sail your age. The bigger the better. Steel if you can afford it. Eh Tim?

                                            Once again, talk to Nick Tarlson. He has boats, dingies, outboards, etc. He drives a hard bargain, but he has all the stuff. Be careful, he'll try to suck you into volunteering for neglected children or something too. His heart is in the right place though. Might even have a used inflatable.
                                            • Alaska?

                                              Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:47 PM

                                              Just a bit of humor, but this seems like the perfect Alaska boat.

                                              www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ment.php

                                              Apparently, it made the trip over from Vladivostok.
                                              • Re: Alaska?

                                                Sun, October 28, 2007 - 11:18 PM
                                                I went through the used life raft thing. Friends gave me their 70's era rafts. I took the first one over to Sal in Alameda. We opened it up and he explained how and why it would cost me more then a new one to repack it. Having not learned the first time I brought him another one and he charged me 60 dollars and we went through the same drill. He was great and I learned a lot and he explained how many people get taken badly buying used rafts that prove to be worthless,on Ebay. I was able to get a soft case six man, that I keep below for 1,900 dollars with a Port supply discount. If you have a friend that has the wholesalers account you can get some brands of life rafts and flairs for about half off. I'll check out the link, Thanks.
  • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

    Mon, October 29, 2007 - 7:35 PM
    You've gotten some great advice from both Tim and Erik so I won't belabour the main issues discussed. A few pointers I learned when sailing down to Nicaragua myself on a super tight budget some years ago;

    A lot of rookies get overly concerned with rough weather and go overboard buying sea anchors, drogues, tri sails, etc.. Being prepared for rough weather is important but the reality is that on this passage there will be more "no wind" than strong wind. Don't just have a genoa but go for a nylon drifter. You need to be able to have a "wall of cloth" otherwise you will be burning fuel which is the same as burning dollars. Light air sails are important especially off the Mexican mainland which gets very little wind.

    Mexico has a lot of coastline so you will be there for awhile. They have done away with the check in procedures or so they say. It still somewhat exists so lookout. My big gripe is the price of the fishing licenses. You will need at a minimum, one for the boat, one for the dinghy and one for yourself. This will easily be close to $150 to $200. By the time you catch this much fish, you will be sick of it. It is almost cheaper to just buy fish at the market. The licenses are mandatory, even though no cruiser I have met has been asked to show it. I have had my boat boarded by officiales and hassled for not flying a courtesy flag but never about the licenses. One way around it is to not have a single piece of fishing gear on board. Maybe buy some right as you get to Central America. I'd ask others what they know about how to get around the high cost of the licenses.... I can't tell you not to buy the licenses...

    I remember visiting the Gulf of Fonseca and remembering how hot it was. Shade and ventilation are super important. It is easy to overlook this when sailing around S.F. bay. Fiberglass boats don't do well in the sun. If you are on a tight budget, you will be staying on your boat a lot which means you need fans on the inside. Buy those $20 Hella ones where the draw is measured in milliamps. Design and build some sort of cockpit enclosure/shade tent/canopy thing, etc.. If you make the cockpit into an extension of the cabin, you significantly increase your living space. Rain and sun need to be kept out. I did the cheap blue tarp and PVC pipe thing which cost less than $20. It worked ok but not when the wind picked up.

    Hard Dinghys are found more on the budget cruising boats mainly because if you build a model that rows well, you can dispense with an outboard. On a small boat the nesting feature is key. Check out plans like at www.bandbyachtdesigns.com. I built their nesting pram model for about $300. You could go lower if you use non Marine Plywood.
    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

      Mon, October 29, 2007 - 10:33 PM
      Jonas:

      Hey man. Thanks for the info.

      > I did the cheap blue tarp and PVC pipe thing which cost less than $20. It worked ok but not when the wind picked up.

      I know a bit about the sun, I traveled through the Sahara in Sudan a couple of years ago in the back of open trucks. It was about 114 degrees on an average day. You can get through anything with loose fitting long sleeves and a hat. But setting up something to provide extra shade on a hot day does sound like a good idea.

      I know quite a bit about building wind-proof shade structures because of Burningman. I should be able to figure something out.

      Fans sounds like a good idea. When at port, I've considered setting up a hammock for afternoon seistas.

      www.coolnethammocks.com/

      > I built their nesting pram model for about $300.

      I hadn't even considered building dinghy. But now that I'm thinking about it, it would be a good experience.

      P.S. "The Seaworthy Offshore Sailboat" arrived in the mail today. For anyone who is reading this, doesn't know about boats, and is considering a big journey it's a fantastic reference.
      • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

        Thu, November 1, 2007 - 9:05 PM

        What do you guys think of the Cheoy Lee Cadet Offshore 27?

        They have a full keel, and there seem to be a lot of them availalbe for a reasonable price.
        • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

          Fri, November 2, 2007 - 12:48 AM
          Great boat. I used to own a Frisco Flyer, the predecessor. Try to get one with a diesel rather than gas engine. A little more rare, but a lot safer.
          • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

            Fri, November 2, 2007 - 7:13 AM
            Sounds like a good boat. If the teak decks leak, I would be tempted to go over them with the deck 70 roofing material. If I got one with a dead engine I would also be tempted to pull out the engine and mount a new outboard on a bracket. Kind of a cheap and dirty way to go, but so much easier and cheaper.
            • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

              Fri, November 2, 2007 - 7:44 AM
              Aaaaah! A sin. However, as I recall, it is teak over glass. Outboards are ugly though.
              • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                Sat, November 3, 2007 - 8:24 AM
                Think, I would rather be dry on a choy-leaky. Guess I'm into ugly and sin, but my thought was what would get the job done for not as much money.
                • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                  Sat, November 17, 2007 - 7:05 PM

                  What do you guys think of the Pearson Coasters?

                  I might head up to Marin tomorrow to look at one, but I'm not nearly ready to actually purchase anything yet.

                  sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa...429.html
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                    Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                    Sat, November 17, 2007 - 8:08 PM
                    Looks like it would be a great cruiser for you. From the pictures it looks like Morro rock in the background. I imaginge the owner sailed it up and didn't truck it. Having a Yanmar is a plus. The parts are more available and cheaper then other diesels. Most likely it was repowered with the Yanmar. Pearson's have a good reputation
                    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                      Sun, November 18, 2007 - 4:06 AM
                      Yeah, the older Pearsons are great boats. Just before they went under, they started cutting corners, but this looks like a really good boat. I used to sail a Pearson 32. Wonderful boat. Looks like she handles a hard bottomed dink too. Get a survey from a certified marine surveyor. At her age she will probably need a little work, but she does look to be the perfect pocket cruiser.
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                    Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                    Sun, November 18, 2007 - 5:35 PM
                    you have 10 miles to ride that thing from Napa to Bay

                    if the engine die......you are the man !
                    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

                      Mon, November 19, 2007 - 12:37 AM
                      By the way, if she is still in dry storage, at the Napa marina, you can have her surveyed right there. You might want to consider keeping her right there until after you have her painted. You will want to paint her with LPU. As she is white, you can roll and tip. White is better for the tropics anyhow. Rolling and tipping is a lot better than spraying, as it goes on thicker, and you don't have to tent. Get somebody who knows what they are doing, and pay the few extra bucks to have the prep work done right. It will be worth it.

                      If you can afford it, start looking into self-steering vanes.
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    Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

    Mon, November 19, 2007 - 7:11 PM
    honest talking, Adam.....

    you seem to be to much in Tribe.com, the to be in real touching with sailing and sailboats

    or ever you want to go, "sailing" in computer is just a digital fiction !
    • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

      Tue, November 20, 2007 - 12:55 AM
      From what I understand, Adam just got back from traveling all over the Middle East and Europe, computer in hand. I'm sure he'll take it to Nicaragua too. As for big bucks, you really don't want to go cruising with the gel coat damaged, especially in an older boat. The fiberglass in older boats is made with polyester resin, not epoxy. It needs to be sealed. Rolling and tipping a coat of LPU is the least expensive way to do it. Yes, a self steering vane can be expensive. However, it makes your life so much easier that it might be worth looking into. You might be able to pick up something used like an old Aries for a couple hundred bucks. They work just fine.
      • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

        Tue, November 20, 2007 - 7:32 AM
        Napa is a great place to work on your boat. I would take a hard look at the stuffing box and cutlass bearing. I would have a someone who knows how help me repack the stuffing box and I would replace the cutlass bearing if it needs it. The cutlass bearing is a bearcat to replace, so usually it and the shaftlog are neglected. The shaftlog can be gone from electrolosis because it is not protected by a zinc anode. One has to dig into the metal with a screwdriver and see if it crumbles. The shaftlog is down low and if it fails it's like a firehose of water coming into the boat with the added benifit of the shaft in the hole so it's harder to plug. Lot's of boats out there just waiting to sink if the engine comes off the mounts and the vibration shears the rotten shaft log. Good to learn about pulling the prop, owning a prop puller, replacing the cutlass, repacking the shaftlog and engine alienment. Check the rudder pintal and gudgens, also. These things are good cruising skills as others will need help and you should know it for yourself.
        • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

          Tue, November 20, 2007 - 8:03 AM
          Spoken like a true diver. All good advice. Look, spend the money on a good surveyor. Go there, and ask lots of questions while they are working. If they tell you to fuck off, tell them to fuck off, and hire somebody else. This is a good boat. The fact that she is already out of the water, in one of the more affordable places to keep a boat is a good thing. It isn't so far off the beaten track. Hell, maybe you could live aboard while she is out of the water before slipping her in. She is well under your price range. If you spend the difference on making her perfect, you will have a decent boat.

          Hey Tim, when you going to come to Poland?
          • Re: Sailing to Nicaragua

            Tue, November 20, 2007 - 9:55 PM
            Hey everyone,

            I can't believe this thread is still going from a simple question of what time of year is best to sail down to Nicaragua.

            To C, indeed I haven't been sailing much recently. I was taking lessons in small boat and keel boat sailing, but all of that was temporarily cancelled due to the oil spill. The keel boat sailing might be starting again tomorrow; I'm not quite sure.

            I was merely curious about the Coaster. As I said before, I'm not nearly ready to buy yet. I'm going down to Nicaragua next month, by plane, checking things out down there. If it all looks good on the Nicaragua side, I'll head back to the Bay Area and do real boat shopping. So, the purchase won't be happening for a couple of months a least.

            I went out and saw the boat today, and there were some things that I really liked about it. There seems to be an immense amount more room in it, than on a Triton. I really like the layout of the cabin too, with a full length galley on the starboard side, a twin berth to the port, and two aft berths.

            The hull looked solid. The entire boat is built of thick solid fiberglass. The only damage or bubbling along the hull seemed to be in the outer layers of paint. But the rest of the boat needed a lot of work. A whole bunch of small things really.

            Here are a some photos:

            www.geekeasy.com/3/Coaster6/

            But once again, I'm not planning on buying anything for at least a couple of months.

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